What are the connections between borders, immigration, and religion? Elizabeth Shakman Hurd, author of Heaven Has a Wall: Religion, Borders, and the Global United States, joins us to discuss the United States’ deep investment in and fixation on national borders. What legal rights does anyone have within 100 miles of any of America’s national borders? How does a country that promotes religious freedom also enact a Muslim ban? How does the United States’ support for Israel and the maintenance of the borders Israel wants connect to religion? And, as the Trump regime moves to deport more immigrants and spend more tax dollars on ICE and Homeland Security, what should people do who want to protect immigrants, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion?