What could be more telling of the challenges faced by the modern Evangelical church than this podcast of four white, male Evangelical theologians discussing post-modernism? Turns out not much. The conversation was taped last fall and posted today at Grateful to the Dead, Chris Armstrong’s blog. Armstrong is the author of Patron Saints for Postmoderns and the former editor of Christianity Today. He’s associate professor of church history at Bethel Theological Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota. The other participants are: John Franke, of Biblical Seminary, Christian Collins Winn, historical theology professor at Bethel College of Arts and Sciences, and the host, Kyle A. Roberts, assistant professor of systematic theology and Lead Faculty of Christian Thought at Bethel.
For those of us accustomed to ideas of appropriate — and morally necessary — challenges to authority, contextuality, the ravages of capitalism, and diversity of traditions, the conversation may seem stale; like Evangelicals are just a bit late to the game of poking holes in the “myth of the monolithic Western Christian tradition.” In fact, they’re still getting used to calling it a myth. As a number of the participants recognize, their college and theology students may live in a post-modern world of diverse cultures, but are adrift in the conversations of privilege and diversity.
But we have to admit that Charles Taylor is right, that we live in a secular age. Therefore, as soon as we begin to give credence and authority to any given traditional formulation of the way things are we have made a conscious choice against other choices, because we’re on the internet and we know that theres a million different ways of looking at this and we’ve chosen one out of a million. And that has a certain kind of weight on us and a certain kind of challenge to living our lives and to sorting ourselves out intellectually that 20 or 30 years ago we simply did not face. And our students certainly did not face, and now they’re at sea. I mean there’s a discomfort that comes with this. There’s a sense of un-rootedness and almost existential desperation that can come with the deconstruction of all authoritative structures of meaning.
The solution? ”We’re gonna start by saying that we’re Christian.”

4 comments
Christian Collins Winn says:
Apr 30, 2010
Thanks for the feedback on the podcast. I am especially motivated to give a hearty amen to the “four white males” critique, which was not lost on any of us, as I brought up just prior to our discussion. There really is no excuse for us not having had more perspectives. It was in part an ad hoc get together; but even that highlights that our ad hoc get togethers are already structured by white privilege.
In hope for a better tomorrow,
Christian Collins Winn
ann says:
Apr 30, 2010
Thanks for reading, Christian. I hope it’s evident that I very much enjoyed the podcast! Despite my claims of comfort with diversity and challenges to authority, I think we all have much to learn from the pains that Evangelicalism is suffering right now. That this discussion still and repeatedly must be had says something quite profound about American culture.
Adam says:
May 4, 2010
I only read Hauerwas for the first time recently (“State of the University”) and sense that he is certainly part of this conversation, down tothe apparently simple but actually theoretically nuanced claim, “we’re Christians.”
Adam says:
May 4, 2010
I just listened to the podcast. Thanks for posting. This is truly fascinating. Parts of it made me think about how the issues of mission and the place of Christianity in the world necessitate social theorizing because Christianity, so long as it has some kind of essence, must be defined, juxtaposed, etc. with culture. Furthermore, as a historian of a non-Western Christian tradition I appreciate the concern to broaden American Christians’ understanding of Christian history and decenter the West.